As believers in Christ, we are to be in lifestyle "different" from non-christians in the world, "be ye separate, saith the Lord,..." (2 Cor. 6: 17). Now that doesn't mean we are to be 'isolationists' in literally separating ourselves from the rest of the world. If that were the case, the Lord would have taken us home to heaven at the moment of our conversion to Christ. God has left us in the world for a reason, and that is to proclaim the gospel to the world (see Matt. 28: 19-20; Mark 16: 15-16). Since Jesus sat and ate with sinners, we are to do likewise. We are to insolate our hearts from the wicked influences of the world, not isolate ourselves from the rest of mankind. Sadly, today there are those in the Church who are legalistic in that they take such Scripture passages as 2 Corinthians 6: 17 and will have no contact with the unsaved other than to just share the gospel with them, which does great violence to the message of the gospel by giving the impression to non-christians that we are holier-than-thou in that we think we are better than them. May God deliver us from such a self-righteous attitude.
Lord, forgive me if I have acquainted
myself with the world too intimately, for that’s idolatry. Insolate my heart
with the warmth of Thy love from the chilling effects of this present world
systems’ influences that ever seeks to deaden me spiritually. Let me be
ravished in Thy Love, for Thy Love is more than enough, and let not any other
loves sap away my affections for Thee! Amen.
Wed. June 18, 2008; Entry: 3. Taken from "Living Between the Transient and the Real."
Proclaiming "The GOOD News!"!
ReplyDeleteYES!
Sadly )-; religion is anti-ALL that is GOOD!
"Come Out of her(babel/confusion/babylon/world/religion), MY people!"
Confusion is religion's way, so it is that all religion's are of this wicked, evil world ;-(
What of the confusion caused in the transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given birth name, which was supposedly transliterated from the pagan greek word "iesous"?
Confusion, because "iesous" was the greek word used in the greek septuagint to represent the Hebrew name for "Joshua" in the old covenant, and the same greek word "iesous" was transliterated into modern day english as the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' in The New Covenant.......
Why would the same greek word "iesous" be transliterated as both "Joshua" and "jesus" in the old and New Covenant, and then in multiple translations the same greek word "iesous" was transliterated as both 'jesus' and 'Joshua' in The New Covenant?
Confusion!
Joshua of the old is referred to more than once in The New Covenant. Three times 'Joshua' is referred to in The New Testament, yet each time the reference to Joshua was translated as 'jesus' in the kjv....... (Acts7:45, Heb4:8, Col4:11)
Confusion!
But at least those who translated the 'kjv' were consistent for they always transliterated the pagan greek "iesous" as 'jesus' in The New Covenant even when it referred to "Joshua" of the old covenant.
Simply, Joshua of the old and The Messiah of The NEW had the same Hebrew name. So why change the name if both Joshua and The Messiah's GOD given birth name were the same?
Confusion!
"Confusion and every evil work" abound!
"The father of lies", he knows why the same greek word was transliterated both as "Joshua" and 'jesus'!
Praying in the name of 'd'evil's "imag"ined son )-;
Confusion!
And why do most all 'biblical' translations use the pagan catholic latin word "iesus" rather than the pagan greek "iesous" when transliterating The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name from the pagan greek manuscripts?
"iesus" is nowhere to be found in the pagan greek manuscripts!
continued
Hey ElderChild,
DeleteYes, I agree that religion can cause a whole lot of confusion. But let me get one thing straight here about religion. (1.) Religion is man made. For example: Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and even such cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism who masquarade as Christianity. (2.) Christianity is about the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then you went on for the rest of your response to my post talking about Joshua and Jesus. The name "JESUS" (Gr."Iesous")is a transliteration of the Hebrew "JOSHUA," meaning 'Jehovah is salvation,' i.e., 'is the Saviour,' "a common name among the Jews, e.g., EX. 17: 9; Luke 3: 29(RV); Col. 4: 11." (W. E. Vine). I couldn't help but notice that you kept referring to "JESUS" or 'Iesous' as coming from the "pagan Greek" or "JESUS" coming from the "pagan Catholic/Christian" tradition. None of this has to do with my original post. However, since you brought it up. Well, here's my response.
Now as for you using such phrases as "pagan Greek" language in which the Bible was translated; the same can be said about our "pagan English" language translations of the Bible. The Greek language was the prominent language of the ancient world when the apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ first translated the New Testament, just as today's English language is the prominent language in today's world. The main thing is the Bible is translated in a language that can be read, understood, and enjoyed by all who find "Salvation" in the precious name of "JESUS."
To begin with, it is obvious that you have a real distaste to the name "JESUS" (Gr."Iesous"). You say it is confusion "Why would the same greek word "iesous" be transliterated as both "Joshua" and "jesus" in the old and New Covenant, and then in multiple translations the same greek word "iesous" was transliterated as both 'jesus' and 'Joshua' in The New Covenant?" What difference does it make, whether the Greek word 'Iesous' was transliterated as "JESUS" or "Joshua?" The fact is the name 'Iesous' is rendered in our english Bibles as "JESUS." The Greek and Hebrew scholars chose to render the Greek 'Iesous' as "JESUS" for a good reason (see Matt. 1:21, 25). I see no confusion here. There are people today who have names that have two different renderings from two different languages. What's the big deal? Even in our english language we see this. For example, a guy with the name "William" is sometimes called by his friends and family members as "Bill." Another example in english is my father's name "Gerald." Growing up, I remember hearing some of his friends refer to him as "Jerry," which is another term for "Gerald." So you are building a whole case around the names "JESUS" and "Joshua" and crying foul in saying it is "confusion." Again, it is NOT confusion if you understand the meaning of language and context. This also applies to your criticism of how the KJV translaters should have said "Joshua" instead of "Jesus" in (Acts 7:45; Heb. 4:8; Col. 4:11).
Here is the second part of my response...
DeleteNo doubt the KJV was consistent in always translating the Greek 'Iesous' as "JESUS" because that was its Greek rendering, whereas the Hebrew rendering was "Joshua."
Your statement "The father of lies", he knows why the same Greek word was transliterated both as "Joshua" and 'jesus'!" troubles me. Here you are attributing the Geek translation of "JESUS" that is transliterated in Hebrew as "Joshua" to "The father of lies," which is the devil. That my friend is blasphemy. (see 2 Peter 1:20-21). Even more troubling is your blasphemous sentence "Praying in the name of 'd'evil's "imag"ined son )-;" ElderChild, you need to realize that "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name [Jesus] under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). And there is no "other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Cor. 3:11). Then finally there are these sobering words from the very One who you blasphemously call the "d'evil's "imag"ined son" "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the FATHER, but by ME." (John 14:6).
Lastly, your comment, "iesus" is nowhere to be found in the pagan greek manuscripts!" Hmm, that's funny ElderChild, why then is it used so much in the New Testament in english as "JESUS." Do you know the Greek and Hebrew languages better than the Biblical scholars who translated from the original languages the English Bibles we have today? If you did, you certainly wouldn't be saying such nonsense that you are saying now, my friend.
Now in closing, consider this testimony about the Lord Jesus Christ by George Sweeting:
"No fact in history is so well attested as the birth, life, and death of Jesus Christ. Encyclopedia Britannica devotes more words to Jesus than to Aristotle, Cicero, Julius Caesar, or the great Napoleon. No life has been so carefully examined, so carefully noted. No life has reached down so many centuries with so great an impact on so many millions of people."
Confusion!
ReplyDeleteThe proper transliteration of the pagan greek "iesous" into modern day english would be 'jesous'. Pagan catholicism most certainly had her way with her #1 christian daughter, "the church OF england", and she yet has her way with all her other christian daughters as well )-;
Religious systems of this world and all alike they are! For they but gender "confusion and every evil work"?
Now i am not a "sacred name" believer but by the Grace of GOD i am one who has received "the love of The Truth".......
And Truth has revealed that all systems of religion are of "the father of lies", 'd'evil spirit that is "the god of this world" ;-(
At times i do refer to the The Messiah as Yahshua(Joshua) or Y'shua, however i most certainly do not require others to do the same.
Yet the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' has it's root in pagan catholic latin, and i want naught to do with a name that genders "confusion and every evil work"!
And multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of the pagan catholic/christian god(s).......
For the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!
One of the many reasons why "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters ;-(
And in the name of their "imag"ined 'jesus', pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters continue to serve "the father of lies"!
As for me i prefer to refer to The Messiah as Immanuel for as Paul testified, "GOD was in The Messiah" indeed and Truth.......
Yet there is no name, no title, nothing greater than Our Father!
And i most certainly am thankful that there are others who have seen the confusion caused by the folklore that is pagan catholicism and her 'reformed(made to appear different outwardly)' christian daughters.
So it is that the brethren of The Messiah have chosen to "Come Out" of the religious systems, all of which are of this wicked world!
For we have our portion in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named".......(Eph3:15)
And NEW "Jerusalem which is above is free, and IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of GOD)!" (Gal4:26)
So the brethren of The Messiah have chosen to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth", because our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven".......
And soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last!
Till then:
Father Help! and HE does.......
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Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(confusion) that is of this evil, wicked world, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(1John5:19)
Truth IS, a lie never was and is not.......
Abide in Truth....... francis
Simply, your pagan 'jesus' is the transliteration of the pagan catholic 'iesus' and your pagan 'christ' is not the translation(interpretation) but is the bastardization of the pagan greek 'christos'!
ReplyDelete"The Messias, which being interpreted is the Christ"?
Consider "The Word of Truth"!
"He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found the Messias, which being INTERPRETED is the Christ."" (John 1:41)
"The Messias(this is a greek word), which being INTERPRETED is the Christ"? (John 1:41b)
Such is a LIE for the translators did not INTERPRET the greek word "christos", they but bastardized that greek word!
"interpret" = to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate.
And also, the translators did not transliterate the greek (Messias) into the english "Messiah"!
John 1:41 should be translated, "He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found The Messiah, which is being INTERPRETED, The Anointed One.""
And then in John 4:25 > "The woman said unto him, I know that Messias comes, which is called Christ. When He is come, He will tell us all things."
The proper translation is, "I know that The Messiah is coming, which is called The Anointed One. When He is come, He will tell us all things." (John 4:25)
Why did they once again bastardize, rather than INTERPRET, the pagan greek word "christos"?
And why should i believe in a name 'jesus' transliterated from the pagan latin catholic word "iesus" when in all the greek manuscripts The Messiah's GOD given birth name is referred to as "iesous"?
Quite evident that the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' is but the transliteration of the pagan latin catholic "iesus", not the pagan greek "iesous"! A pagan latin catholic name from a pagan greek manuscript, no question that such is of babel / confusion / babylon \ world \ religion!
So it is that the god of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters has a pagan latin name 'jesus' and a pagan greek title 'christ' )-;
And the devil's work is done in the name of "jesus christ" his "imag"ined son!
The "the father of lies", "the author of dis-order" and "every evil work" most certainly has had it's way with the religious ones ;-(
No! you say?
continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/04/messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
Again ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteAs I read over your response back to me, you opened up by saying 'pagan Jesus' and 'pagan Christ.' This sounds just as foolish as Tom Harpur's book "The Pagan Christ." How can such names as "Jesus" and "Christ" be pagan or pagan Catholic terms, when "Jesus" and "Christ" who refers to the same Person, God's only begotten Son are mentioned over and over again in the New Testament. And since you so freely quote from the Bible, I'm sure this is not so hard to accept. But then again...
How did they "bastardized the pagan Greek word 'Christos?'" Please do explain how the translators got this wrong? I also couldn't help but notice how you mentioned the word "INTERPRET" or "INTERPRETED" all in capitals five times. What is your point you are trying to get across? You say "Such is a LIE for the translators did not INTERPRET the greek word "christos", they but bastardized that greek word!" Okay, how did they manage to do that in your opinion? Again, are you a scholar in Hebrew and Greek? I really don't think you are. From reading your past posts along with this present one I'm responding to, I believe you really don't understand the Bible and what it teaches. If you did, you would know that such terms as "Messias, Christos, Jesus, and Christ" are all familiar terms used to refer to God's only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. There are numerous Scripture verses I could use here, but I presently don't have time to jot them done right now. Also, I really don't see the logic behind your arguments. Unless you can give me proof and documentation in support of your arguments, you really don't have a case to present to me that is worth looking into my friend.
I encourage you to go back and study your Bible with an "open" mind to what God has to say, by allowing the Scriptures to "INTERPRET" the Scriptures. Stop picking and choosing Bible verses and "interpreting" them in the way you want to see them. When approaching God's Word, we should always do it with reverence and respect to Its Author--God! Consider some of the Scriptures from my previous responses to you.
Always "Considering the Word of Truth!"
May God "Open your eyes" to God's Truth about "Jesus Christ."
Once again you but prove yourself to be of your father, "the father of lies" )-;
ReplyDeleteSimply, your pagan 'jesus' is the transliteration of the pagan catholic 'iesus' and your pagan 'christ' is not the translation(interpretation) but is the bastardization of the pagan greek 'christos'!
"The Messias, which being interpreted is the Christ"?
Consider "The Word of Truth"!
"He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found the Messias, which being INTERPRETED is the Christ."" (John 1:41)
"The Messias(this is a greek word), which being INTERPRETED is the Christ"? (John 1:41b)
Such is a LIE for the translators did not INTERPRET the greek word "christos", they but bastardized that greek word!
"interpret" = to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate.
And also, the translators did not transliterate the greek (Messias) into the english "Messiah"!
John 1:41 should be translated, "He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found The Messiah, which is being INTERPRETED, The Anointed One.""
And then in John 4:25 > "The woman said unto him, I know that Messias comes, which is called Christ. When He is come, He will tell us all things."
The proper translation is, "I know that The Messiah is coming, which is called The Anointed One. When He is come, He will tell us all things." (John 4:25)
Why did they once again bastardize, rather than INTERPRET, the pagan greek word "christos"?
And why should i believe in a name 'jesus' transliterated from the pagan latin catholic word "iesus" when in all the greek manuscripts The Messiah's GOD given birth name is referred to as "iesous"?
Quite evident that the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' is but the transliteration of the pagan latin catholic "iesus", not the pagan greek "iesous"! A pagan latin catholic name from a pagan greek manuscript, no question that such is of babel / confusion / babylon \ world \ religion!
So it is that the god of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters has a pagan latin name 'jesus' and a pagan greek title 'christ' )-;
And the devil's work is done in the name of "jesus christ" his "imag"ined son!
The "the father of lies", "the author of dis-order" and "every evil work" most certainly has had it's way with the religious ones ;-(
No! you say?
continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/04/messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
Hey ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteYour comment, "Once again you but prove yourself to be of your father, "the father of lies" )-;" Since you like throwing around Bible verses, especially in condemning others. Here is the context of your phrase "the father of lies." When Jesus was contending with the Pharisees, He said: "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and THE FATHER OF LIES" (John 8: 44). The greatest enemies of the Lord Jesus Christ were the religious leaders, the Pharisees. Read Matthew 23: 1-39 where Jesus denounces the Pharisees and Scribes.
I wonder ElderChild, what the "Messias" is thinking of you right now attacking me, a person you know nothing at all about other than perhaps a few blogs you might have read from me. Even worse, what must He think of you referring to His title "Christ and Christos as a bastardized pagan latin and pagan Greek words that you consider to be wrong?"
As I said before, though you quote verses from the Bible, they still don't support your position. For example, you quote John 1: 41 "He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found the Messias, which being INTERPRETED is the Christ." According to the Greek in which the New testament was written in, both "Messias/Messiah" and "Christ" mean "Anointed One." So I really don't see your point. Also, most of what you posted in your above comments is word for word the same as your last post. You have made no effort to answer my responses to you. But instead, you either choose to bring up another subject of criticism against biblical terms or you parrot your same arguments as you did in your post above. You prove your ignorance by what you write my friend.
In closing, I once again quote from you, "And the devil's work is done in the name of "jesus christ" his "imag"ined son!" since you continue to "blaspheme" the precious name of the Lord Jesus Christ who alone can save you my friend. Consider what He says to you: "Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me" (John 8: 49). Repent of your sin ElderChild and God will forgive you.
Once again, may God "Open your eyes" to His truth.
Note: By the way, I am not Catholic, I am just a lowly Christian who seeks to follow his Lord and his Word of instruction.
"Note: By the way, I am not Catholic, I am just a lowly Christian who seeks to follow his Lord and his Word of instruction."
ReplyDeleteYou are of the religious ones, those who sought, and yet seek to crucify The Truth!
Thankfully because of The Power that IS The Father and GOD of The Messiah, HE WHO IS Our Father and GOD, Truth Will Always Rise Again!
As for your "imag"ined 'jesus', such was the name pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters gave to one head of their three headed pagan god(s) less than 600 years ago, a time when they also gave the name of 'jesus' to Yahshua(Joshua in modern english) of the old testament as well )-;
"The Lamb of GOD?" and "Prince of Peace?"
"jesus christ'?
The Son of "The ONE GOD, Father of ALL"?
Or devil's son in bland disguise,
Sent to make man wonder and less the wise?
"The Lamb of GOD" and "Prince of Peace" are one in the same!
Yet multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in 'jesus' name )-;
So it is that catholics and christians have proven, all alike they are!
For they fought, killed and died both near and far )-;
Proving that the fruit of death is bore of their religious ways!
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play )-;
Yet then once a week or multiple times a day they may pray,
But then as hypocrites they begin each new day )-;
Days that are filled with deceit and lies!
For in their souls, The Truth can not abide )-;
So it is that the devil's work is done!
In the name of 'jesus christ' his "imag"ined son!
"Come Out of her(babel>confusion<>babylon<>world<religion), MY people!"
"Come Out!" of the confusion and dis-order that is of this wicked world(babylon), and especially it's systems of religion!
"Choose you this day", The Family of Our Father and GOD -OR- a system of religion which was needful, and is yet needful for those who would rather have a man, than GOD, speak to and rule over them!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Immanuel(Yahshua[Joshua] in modern day english) The Messiah IS The Son of The Living GOD!
And The Faithful brethren of The Messiah, the "sons of GOD", will not create a system of religion, for The Faithful ARE Family.......
The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)
And NEW "Jerusalem above IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26)
So is is that the brethren of The Messiah choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven" and soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last.......
Till then:
Father Help! and HE does......
So ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteYour comment, "You are of the religious ones, those who sought, and yet seek to crucify The Truth!" Really? After reading your above response as well as your previous ones, I can see that you are quite guilty of what you have written. You remind me of the Pharisees who attacked the Lord Jesus (or "Messiah" or "Joshua" as you like to call Him)for no reason at all other than their jealousy. Afraid that the world might follow after Him. I can tell by your theology that you are quite confused and mixed up, and do not understand the Scriptures. It is you my friend, who are guilty of "crucifying the Truth." You have religion, but you do not have Christ, or as you put it, the "Messiah" or "Joshua."
Ah, I see a little hint here in this paragraph from your above response which reads, "As for your "imag"ined 'jesus', such was the name pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters gave to one head of their three headed pagan god(s) less than 600 years ago, a time when they also gave the name of 'jesus' to Yahshua(Joshua in modern english) of the old testament as well )-;" I can see by your phrase "their three headed pagan god(s)" that you reject the triune nature of God, or as some like to call it, the Trinity. I wonder if you have a background from the Jehovah's Witnesses or some other cult group? I can tell by your phrase "their three headed pagan god(s)" that you are quite "ignorant" about the true Biblical teaching on the Triune nature (Trinity) of God.
A Little further down you say,"Or devil's son in bland disguise,Sent to make man wonder and less the wise?" I can tell by your rejection of the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME [Lord Jesus Christ]under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4: 12), and (if I'm right) your rejection of the triune nature(Trinity) of God that you are certainly NOT a Christian. The Apostle John warns me that such people like you ElderChild who reject the very saving NAME Jesus Christ has the "spirit of antichrist" (1 John 4: 3). We don't read here the "spirit of antijoshua" as you would have me believe "Joshua" is the correct name, instead of "Jesus." Again, John says "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that JESUS CHRIST is come in the flesh is of God" (1 John 4: 2). Again, John says, "Whosoever believeth that JESUS is the CHRIST is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him" (1 John 5: 1). Once again, I plead with you to repent of your blasphemy of the Lord Jesus Christ (Since you call Him "the d'evil's "imag"ined son"), and your rejection of the triune nature of God.
May God "Open your eyes" to His Truth found in the Bible.
Till next time:
Lord Help! For ElderChild is judging me, a person he does not really even know, he is blinded by Religion that He accuses me of being guilty of. Lord, open his eyes to Your Truth, Amen!
As for your "imag"ined 'jesus', such was the name pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters gave to one head of their three headed pagan god(s) less than 600 years ago, a time when they also gave the name of 'jesus' to Yahshua(Joshua in modern english) of the old testament as well )-;
ReplyDelete"The Lamb of GOD?" and "Prince of Peace?"
"jesus christ'?
The Son of "The ONE GOD, Father of ALL"?
Or devil's son in bland disguise,
Sent to make man wonder and less the wise?
"The Lamb of GOD" and "Prince of Peace" are one in the same!
Yet multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in 'jesus' name )-;
So it is that catholics and christians have proven, all alike they are!
For they fought, killed and died both near and far )-;
Proving that the fruit of death is bore of their religious ways!
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play )-;
Yet then once a week or multiple times a day they may pray,
But then as hypocrites they begin each new day )-;
Days that are filled with deceit and lies!
For in their souls, The Truth can not abide )-;
So it is that the devil's work is done!
In the name of 'jesus christ' his "imag"ined son!
"Come Out of her(babel>confusion<>babylon<>world<religion), MY people!"
"Come Out!" of the confusion and dis-order that is of this wicked world(babylon), and especially it's systems of religion!
"Choose you this day", The Family of Our Father and GOD -OR- a system of religion which was needful, and is yet needful for those who would rather have a man, than GOD, speak to and rule over them!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Immanuel(Yahshua[Joshua] in modern day english) The Messiah IS The Son of The Living GOD!
And The Faithful brethren of The Messiah, the "sons of GOD", will not create a system of religion, for The Faithful ARE Family.......
The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)
And NEW "Jerusalem above IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26)
So is is that the brethren of The Messiah choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven" and soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last.......
Till then:
Father Help! and HE does......
Dear ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the same nonsense you have posted to me once again, my point has been proven true. If you are going to state your case, at least intelligently argue for it by presenting some indisputable facts in your favor, instead of revealing your ignorance by reposting the same nonsense you have already posted here.
Here, let me help you. Historically speaking, the Catholic Church has been guilty of killing thousands of protestant Christians. In the Spanish inquisition over 50, 000 protestants were tortured and killed. During these dark ages, even some protestants were guilty of killing catholics. Even in the past century, we have the history of Roman Catholics and Protestants bombing and killing each other. This no doubt is both horrendous and certainly does not represent Christ and what He stood for. However, this in "NO WAY" represents all "Christians" who are genuine, and are seeking to live godly lives for the honor and glory of God our Father.
I find it quite interesting, how you accuse me (someone you don't even know) let alone other true Christians of being bad, evil, hypocrites, and that we are all alike. Yet, you, yourself are a "hypocrite" for stand as a judge jury, and supposed executioner of us supposed bad Christians. God is my judge, not you or anybody else for that matter. I sense a lot of bitterness, hatred, and rage against all Christians from what I have observed from your responses to me. Shame on you for posting such attacks against me and others. Consider what God's Word says, "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own Master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand" (Romans 14: 4). If you insist on judging, judge with "righteous" judgment. Again the Scriptures say, "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy bother's eye, but considerest not the BEAM that is in thine own eye [ElderChild]? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a BEAM is in thine own eye [ElderChild]? Thou HYPOCRITE, first cast out the BEAM out of thine [ElderChild's] own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye [me]." (Matthew 7:1-5).
In closing, ElderChild, it was the "religious" people who were the most "hostile" towards the Lord Jesus, because they hated Him without a cause. You, ElderChild have demonstrated this to me that you are also "hostile" and hateful towards the Lord Jesus Christ and His children, such as me, which makes you a "religious hypocrite." The very thing you accuse me and others of. May God "open your blinded eye" to see the path you are on. So that you may "repent" of your sin, and turn away from the wrong path you are on and get God's Salvation through the only NAME that saves, the Lord Jesus Christ (see Acts 4: 12; 1 Cor. 3: 11).May the Lord have mercy on you, my friend.
Simply, you continue to prove yourself to be of "the father of lies" )-;
ReplyDeleteYou had testified, "Yes, I agree that religion can cause a whole lot of confusion. But let me get one thing straight here about religion. (1.) Religion is man made."
Most certainly TRUE! For religion is most certainly needful for "disobedient and gainsaying(covetous) people" liken unto you, who would rather have a man, than Our Father and GOD, speak to and rule over them )-;
Your denial of The Truth continues to prove that you are of the religious ones who but follow "the father of lies" and his "imag"ined son 'jesus' on "the broad way to destruction"!
"The Lamb of GOD?" and "Prince of Peace?"
"jesus christ'?
The Son of "The ONE GOD, Father of ALL"?
Or devil's son in bland disguise,
Sent to make man wonder and less the wise?
"The Lamb of GOD" and "Prince of Peace" are one in the same!
Yet multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in 'jesus' name )-;
So it is that catholics and christians have proven, all alike they are!
For they fought, killed and died both near and far )-;
Proving that the fruit of death is bore of their religious ways!
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play )-;
Yet then once a week or multiple times a day they may pray,
But then as hypocrites they begin each new day )-;
Days that are filled with deceit and lies!
For in their souls, The Truth can not abide )-;
So it is that the devil's work is done!
In the name of 'jesus christ' his "imag"ined son!
"Come Out of her(babel>confusion<>babylon<>world<religion), MY people!"
"Come Out!" of the confusion and dis-order that is of this wicked world(babylon), and especially it's systems of religion!
"Choose you this day", The Family of Our Father and GOD -OR- a system of religion which was needful, and is yet needful for those who would rather have a man, than GOD, speak to and rule over them!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Immanuel(Yahshua[Joshua] in modern day english) The Messiah IS The Son of The Living GOD!
And The Faithful brethren of The Messiah, the "sons of GOD", will not create a system of religion, for The Faithful ARE Family.......
The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)
And NEW "Jerusalem above IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26)
So is is that the brethren of The Messiah choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven" and soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last.......
Till then:
Father Help! and HE does......
Once again ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteI applaud you, you actually took the time to write something new in your first 3 and a half paragraphs, but then went back to reposting the same nonsense. Oh well, some people never learn.
Your comment, "Most certainly TRUE! For religion is most certainly needful for "disobedient and gainsaying(covetous) people" liken unto you, who would rather have a man, than Our Father and GOD, speak to and rule over them )-;" Oh man, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God" (Matthew 22: 29). This verse fits you perfectly ElderChild. The fact that you are referring to God the Father's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ as just a "mere man" reveals your ignorance of what the Scriptures teach about the Lord Jesus Christ as being "God" manifested in the flesh. Consider these Scriptures (see John 1: 1, 14; 10: 30; Acts 20: 28; Col. 1: 15-19; 2: 9; 1 Timothy 3: 16, etc.).
Now as for the term "religion" look up what the term means. Remember, religion is man made, whereas Christianity is God made. If i were a hindu, buddhist, muslim, or even a Jehovah Witness then your assessment of me being a religioness would be correct. But once again you are "incorrect" about both myself and other Christians who are faithful.
Over the past number of my responses to you I have presented Scriptures to support my position, and have pointed out where you have erred my friend. Now you on the other hand have consistantly fallen short of doing this. Oh sure, you quote Scripture in your responses, but they do not support you position, due to the fact you pick and choose what you want the Scriptures to say, instead of allowing the Scriptures to say by the Spirit of God what they need to say to you ElderChild. How do I know this? Because you have consistently ignored the Scriptures I have quoted to you as well as my responses to you.
Then you said, "Your denial of The Truth continues to prove that you are of the religious ones who but follow "the father of lies" and his "imag"ined son 'jesus' on "the broad way to destruction"!" How is it that I continue to deny the Truth by following the religious ones who follow the "father of lies?" Really? Come on ElderChild, if you even paid the slightest attention to anything I have said in my responses to you and the Scriptures I've quoted to you. Then you would know how falsely you are judging me. Once again, you prove to be of the religious Pharisees who persecuted my Lord without a cause. I can see by some of your outright erroneous comments on the nature and person of God and your consistent blasphemy of God's beloved son, Jesus Christ that you are the religious one who follows the "father of lies."
Once again, may God "open your eyes" to the Truth of His Word.
Repent, my friend, repent!
You, but a pharasaical religious pagan catholic/christian clone, accuse me of being a pharisee )-;
ReplyDeleteSimply, your "imag"ined pagan latin and greek 'jesus christ' is the son of the devil, he who is the author and god of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters!
"Pure Religion And Undefiled"!
Hopefully there would be those reading this who have "seen" organized 'religion' for what it is, and not what it pretends to be, and have realized(not just read) that "the natural man can not receive the things that are of The Spirit of GOD, for they are foolishness unto him and he can not know them, for the things that are of The Spirit of GOD needs be Spiritually discerned" (1Cor2:14)..dd.....
As for "Pure Religion And Undefiled".......
"Pure religion and undefiled before GOD The Father is this, to visit The Fatherless (those who know not The GOD and Father{Creator} of ALL) and widows (those who have not yet realized that their "bridegroom" has risen from among the dead) in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world." (James1:27)
Simply, ALL other religion is IMPURE and DEFILED.......
And notice that "pure and undefiled" religion is "oneself(personal)", The Brethren of The Messiah doing The Will of Our Father, as they are led by The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit.......
Simply, corporate "religion" is pagan and of this wicked world )-;
501(c3) Not-For-Profit indeed and Truth!
catholicism, christianity, judaism, islam, buddhist,,,, etc.......
Multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of the god(s) of this, or that religion )-;
So it is that the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!
Religion was needful for "a disobedient and gainsaying(greedy, covetous) people" who would that a man, rather than GOD, speak to, and rule over them )-;
And simply, The Faithful will not create a religion, for The Faithful ARE Family!
The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Col3:15)
And NEW "Jerusalem which is above is free, and IS !NOW! the mother of us all(children of GOD)"! (Gal 4:26)
"Brethren" is not 'religion', for what are the brethren of The Messiah and sons of "Our GOD and Father" if not Family?
And would not The Family of The One and Only True GOD and Father(Creator) of ALL, be much closer than a natural, fleshly family?
Continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteI will start with this angry quote from you, "You, but a pharasaical religious pagan catholic/christian clone, accuse me of being a pharisee )-;" Once again, your ignorance comes shining through. The fact is I have been showing much "grace" and "patience" with you my friend. These are hardly virtues that the Pharisees are known for, which reveals how little you know me. Yet you stand in judgment of me. So now you call me a "religious pagan catholic/christian clone?" Really? Come on ElderChild, if you've read or learned anything from my responses to you. You would know that I am neither "pagan" [by the way, you should look up the meaning of that word];"catholic" [if you are referring to me being Roman Catholic, you are dead wrong my friend. I am not Roman Catholic]; now as for being a "Christian clone," now you are getting closer to the truth. Yes, what honest, true, and faithful Christian wouldn't want to be more "cloned" into the precious image of their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I know I sure do. Do you have a desire to be more like the Messiah? Concerning the use of your word "clone." Paul's words fit well here. For he tells us to, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God"(Romans 12: 2). So what is this "renewed mind" that Paul is talking about that we should have? Paul tells us, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 2: 5). Yup, there you have it my friend. We are to have the "mind" of Christ, or a mind like Christ. Yup, a mind just like the Messiah's.
Next, you said in blasphemy, "Simply, your "imag"ined pagan latin and greek 'jesus christ' is the son of the devil, he who is the author and god of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters!" Here you said quite angry here as well. If you actually read the Bible, you would well know how baseless and foolish this blasphemous statement in calling "Jesus Christ is the Son of the devil" really is. If you continue to call my beloved Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ the son of the devil, I will discontinue our discussion. Remember, you are the one who posted the first comment to me. I really don't mind conversing with people who disagree with me, so long as they are respectful, I will show respect in kind. However, though I have shown "grace" and "patience" with you thus far, I will not continue reading your comments that are both offensive to me and are quite blasphemous against the Lord's Christ. Here you are calling me a "religious pagan catholic/christian clone" who follows a son of the devil. Yet, not once in my disagreement with you have I used such degrading and blasphemous language against your view of God, despite the fact you are in arror on the nature of God. Since I have shown respect to you when you do not deserve it, tell me then, who is the "one" who is behaving like a "pagan" or "Pharisee," because it certainly isn't me my friend.
ElderChild, I know you did not like me calling you a "pharisee." I called you that based on your behaviour and actions towards me. It is not a personal attack against you. If you would show more of the "fruit of the spirit" such as "love, joy, peace, etc" (see Galatians 5:22-23)in your responses to me, then I would NOT call you a Pharisee.
May God "open your eyes" to the Truth of His Word.
Once again, with Christian love and concern, I pray you will repent.
Now in closing, ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteYou said, "Hopefully there would be those reading this who have "seen" organized 'religion' for what it is, and not what it pretends to be, and have realized(not just read) that "the natural man can not receive the things that are of The Spirit of GOD, for they are foolishness unto him and he can not know them, for the things that are of The Spirit of GOD needs be Spiritually discerned" (1Cor2:14)..dd....." Wow! You may not realize this my friend, but I believe your above comment is a self fulfilling prophecy. For it speaks well of you, even though the comment is intended against me. Over the past number of your responses to me, you have demonstrated to those who may read your words, "Hopefully there would be those reading this who have "seen" organized 'religion' for what it is, and not what it pretends to be," seen in the nature of your hateful attitude, words, and actions against me, which demonstrates your condemning religious spirit that the public will be sure to avoid. For your sake, to save you the embarrassment, I hope no one reads your comments here and responds to it. For they would see also how contentious, proud, unreasonable, and unwilling you are to listen and learn from others (see 1 Cor. 2:14).
Now having said all this, I just want you to know ElderChild that I in no way harbour any hatred, anger, resentment towards you. I look at such discussions like this as a wonderful opportunity for people to both learn and grow in the interactions, for even in disagreements we can learn from each other in the Spirit of the loving Messiah. I wish you all the best my friend.
Simply, you are a liar and of the father of lies!
ReplyDeleteLearning from the likes of you, a pharisee, would be like walking hand in hand with the devil and his "imag"ined son "jesus christ"!
More than likely you are of the perverse, those who with "kind words and fair speech seek to deceive the hearts of the simple"!
As for your "imag"ined 'jesus christ'!
"The Lamb of GOD?" and "Prince of Peace?"
"jesus christ'?
The Son of "The ONE GOD, Father of ALL"?
Or devil's son in bland disguise,
Sent to make man wonder and less the wise?
"The Lamb of GOD" and "Prince of Peace" are one in the same!
Yet multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in 'jesus' name )-;
So it is that catholics and christians have proven, all alike they are!
For they fought, killed and died both near and far )-;
Proving that the fruit of death is bore of their religious ways!
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play )-;
Yet then once a week or multiple times a day they may pray,
But then as hypocrites they begin each new day )-;
Days that are filled with deceit and lies!
For in their souls, The Truth can not abide )-;
So it is that the devil's work is done!
In the name of 'jesus christ' his "imag"ined son!
"Come Out of her(babel>confusion<>babylon<>world<religion), MY people!"
"Come Out!" of the confusion and dis-order that is of this wicked world(babylon), and especially it's systems of religion!
"Choose you this day", The Family of Our Father and GOD -OR- a system of religion which was needful, and is yet needful for those who would rather have a man, than GOD, speak to and rule over them!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Immanuel(Yahshua[Joshua] in modern day english) The Messiah IS The Son of The Living GOD!
And The Faithful brethren of The Messiah, the "sons of GOD", will not create a system of religion, for The Faithful ARE Family.......
The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)
And NEW "Jerusalem above IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26)
So is is that the brethren of The Messiah choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven" and soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last.......
Till then:
Father Help! and HE does......
Dear ElderChild,
ReplyDeleteA man who judges another without knowing the matter is a fool in God's eyes. The truth of Solomon's words are true of you here, "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit" (Prov. 26:5). And you certainly have shown your "conceited" attitude in your above response to me. Another applicable Proverb is "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise" (Prov. 12: 15). The fact that you have set yourself up proudly as a know it all, and are "unteachable," this proverb proves true of you, my dear misguided friend. But most of all, how true is this Proverb of you, "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words" (Prov. 23: 9). You have proved this Proverb true by your consistent despising of my helpful counsel I tried giving you.
Now as for your blasphemous comment against Christ, "Learning from the likes of you, a pharisee, would be like walking hand in hand with the devil and his "imag"ined son "jesus christ"! I had warned you from my previous response that I would not tolerate you Blaspheming the precious name of my wonderful Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (see Acts 4: 12; 1 Cor. 3: 11). I am going to make good on that promise. I am no longer going to "accept" anymore responses from you, due to your blatant disrespect and disregard to my warning you not to use such "blasphemous language" against my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ the Messiah!
In closing, I am quite satisfied in the Lord, about the responses and rebukes I had given you. To respond anymore to you would make me a "fool" like you. May God have mercy on you and "open your eyes" to His truth. Goodbye.